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Feb
2009
Posted by Robert in Bill Clinton, Economy
If you bothered to watch the Today show yesterday, you would have seen former President Bill Clinton giving yet another interview related to his Global Initiative, this time indulging Ann Curry’s softball questions.
Here is the short exchange where Clinton once again denies that his administration, in part, was responsible for the current financial meltdown:
Curry: “You know this week people are gonna be reading this article in Time magazine that lists you as number 13 as, on the list of who to blame for our current economic crisis in the United States, Should you be 13 on the list, is what I’m asking?”
Clinton: “Oh no! But let me as you this, my question to them is, do any of them seriously believe that if I had been President and my economic team had been in place the last eight years, that this would be happening today? And I think they know the answer to that is, no.”
(Here is a link to that exchange. To skip over David Gregory’s introduction and the rest of the softball questions, fast forward to 2:13 in the clip.)
This guy is a piece of work. And that is quite a defense. His economic team?? Does he mean the team that threatened banks with fines if they didn’t make these loans to people who wouldn’t afford them? What many people don’t know (and what the media continues to overlook) is that Clinton loosened housing rules by rewriting the Community Reinvestment Act (a product of Jimmy Carter’s) to put added pressure on banks to lend in low-income neighborhoods.
Remember that this economic crisis began with the housing market, and it was these loans that later were converted into the complicated ”mortgage-backed securities” that bogged down the balance sheets of Wall Street firms. These toxic loans would never have existed if Carter and, then, Clinton hadn’t created such a permissive lending environment.
What’s more, the dirtiest little secret in politics and in our country’s recent history is that the Clinton administration had virtually nothing to do with the economic boom of the 1990s. In fact, it was Newt Gingrich and the Republicans in Congress who ushered in a period of prosperous growth by dragging Clinton to the table and convincing him to sign a bill that cut the capital gains tax.
It seems that we can’t go a week or a month without a Clinton lying on camera.
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24 Responses
Jamie Holts
February 17th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
1Nice writing style. I look forward to reading more in the future.
skwguitar
February 20th, 2009 at 12:26 am
2Well he’s a president I mean… that’s all too often in America what they’re paid to do, no? With most of them if it’s not a lie it’s a spin of some sorts.
Robert
February 20th, 2009 at 10:25 am
3Sure, but with Clinton, it’s ALWAYS a lie. He has made it an art form.
darek
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:42 am
4Um.. Yes, I agree that Clinton did contribute to the economic problems we are facing, mostly by his signing of NAFTA and ushering in the beginnings of major outsourcing of all of our manufacturing jobs, but I have to say your information on the Community Reinvestment Act had nothing to do with the subprime loan collapse. You should do a little research before making claims:
http://www.businessweek.com/investing/insights/blog/archives/2008/09/community_reinv.html
(Buisnessweek is hardly a Liberal source)
Also, Time magazine (you know the article you’re talking about) doesn’t even site that as the problem that Clinton inspired. Furthermore, Bush ranks much higher on the rating than Clinton. Funny you’d leave that out of your assessment too.
Robert
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:23 pm
5Darek, thanks for the comment, but you are sadly mistaken. The Community Reinvestment Act in its original form may not have had much to do with the subprime mortgage meltdown, but Clinton’s revisions to it had EVERYTHING to do with the meltdown.
Clinton ordered new regulations for the CRA that increased access to mortgages for inner city and low-income rural communities. As a result, subprime mortgages went from 1% of all mortgages issued in 1994 to 12% within three years of the Clinton Administration’s rewriting of the CRA, and they surged by a whopping 25% per year between 1994 and 2003.
I think you need to do a little research.
darek
March 4th, 2009 at 11:45 am
6I don’t think you read the link I posted, It talks about that.
also:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200809300012
This site talks more about the numbers and how the increase in lower income housing loans spurred by the CRA were not linked to the subprime loan industry. Now, many lenders may use the CRA as a way to divert their blame, but in reality all we are doing is shifting the blame to the victims and not the scam artists who took advantage of the poor to trap them into unpayable mortgages.
Honestly at this point, blaming Bush or Clinton has very little importance. Instead we should be focusing on how to fix this and help save people from becoming put out on the streets.
Robert
March 4th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
7Darek, you are a true liberal. It’s vitally important to figure out the cause of all this because we don’t want to make the same mistakes again, including using the same tactics when figuring out a solution. If Bill Clinton and liberal policies in general were to blame for this, then that should be known and spelled out because liberal policies should then not be part of any solution.
I did read the link you posted, and it was riddled with factual errors. The CRA itself wasn’t the problem; rather, it was what Bill Clinton did to the CRA that started this mess. Do you honestly think a bank would give out a loan to someone who couldn’t afford it? That isn’t sound business practice. Banks never engaged in such practices. Businesses in general don’t engage in such suicidal practices. Why, then, did so many of these subprime loans turn up during the 1990s (from something like 3% of loan originations to like 15%)? Because Clinton and the newly-rewritten CRA forced banks to give out these loans. Then he de-regulated the industry so that these loans could find their way off the balance sheets of these lenders and into the comfortable hands of government-sponsored entities like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
darek
March 5th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
8Hmm… You claim that the source that I sent you is riddled with inaccuracies, yet you provide no sources for your own position. Instead you attack me and call me a liberal as if you knew who I was and as if that were a way to end your argument and discount my source (who IS not a liberal media source). Possibly you should have instead shown sources to back up you assertion, and then possibly you could change my mind. Just re-quoting yourself and smearing me has little effect on my position. That’s the sad state of affairs in our modern political discourse. We just attack each other, and discount sources by saying “Oh they’re biased” without ever actually debating the logic and facts of an argument. This country might be able to pull together if we talked about things in an intelligent manner. It seems to me that there are MANY factors that have contributed to this melt-down. To try to blame one entity is pointless, especially when it is only to divert blame from others who also deserve it. If you look at the Time Magazine (I’m suprised you haven’t called that source to be liberal.. funny how you’ll use the media when it suits your purpose) that started your whole argument, there are a plethora of things to blame. I see to remember that the CRA is not mentioned in the article (although I haven’t looked at it for a couple of days). Quit picking and choosing your blame, and go after the whole shebang! It the Republicrats fault and the cut-throat version of Capitalism that puts money and profits over the people no matter what. Bush, Clinton, Obama, they are all to blame. Get over trying to be right all the time and instead try to do what is right for the people.
Robert
March 6th, 2009 at 10:47 am
9Your blind allegiance to that article leaves me with no other conclusion that you’re a liberal who insists that the CRA and Clinton had nothing to do with this crisis. Since you ask for my “sources,” here are several:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/09242008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/house_of_cards_130479.htm?&page=1
http://cei.org/cei_files/fm/active/0/Michelle%20Minton%20-%20CRA%20-%20FINAL_WEB.pdf
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/29/miron.bailout/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
And here is Bush in 2003(!) trying to fix the problem:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E06E3D6123BF932A2575AC0A9659C8B63
And since when did calling you a liberal constitute “smearing” you? Does that offend you? I didn’t quote sources at first because there is a wealth of “sources” out there pointing to Clinton, the CRA, and liberal policies as the root causes of this crisis. The facts are right in front of our faces. Take it as a compliment: I figured you were smart enough to find out the truth for yourself. Hopefully, the sources above will persuade you.
You do make a point that political discourse today consists of attacking those who don’t agree with you. But remember, I merely called you a liberal. That’s not an attack. It was a conclusion I arrived at after careful thought. An attack would have been calling you stupid or an idiot.
There certainly are other factors that contributed to this crisis. Greenspan’s cheap money policy (lowering interest rates) is one. The greed and creativity of Wall Street CEOs is definitely another. But the main problem here was government. Clinton and liberals forced banks to make loans to people who couldn’t afford them. Government is always at the root of any economic problem. Whenever it meddles, it muddles.
The fact that Time doesn’t mention the CRA in that article is a travesty because the CRA was the beginning of all this.
By the way, your commentary on capitalism is further proof that you’re a liberal (or a socialist?). Capitalism doesn’t “put[] money and profits over the people”; rather, it puts the people in charge of their own potential and success. Capitalism was never the problem here. Government was. It is YOU who should get over trying to blame a system that is responsible for the greatest period of human prosperity in the world’s history. Government has always been the problem; the sooner we get it out of the way, the better off we’ll all be.
Robert
March 6th, 2009 at 11:04 am
10Here’s another “source,” this one being The New York Times, the bastion of liberalism.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0DE7DB153EF933A0575AC0A96F958260
darek
March 8th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
11Thank you for your sources. See how much more effective that kind of discussion is. As far as you attacking me for being a liberal, I just made the observation that when in doubt, you throw out the liberal card as if that is supposed to scare or silence me.
As far as you saying that Capitalism isn’t the problem, I agree. Capitalism worked BEFORE free trade. Ford and GM used to actually have plants in the US and pay our workers a good salary. It USED to be that if you worked your ass off for a company for 30 years, that was rewarded. All that has changed in the past 20 years. Instead of rewarding hard work and investing in America, companies ship their jobs overseas in order to maximize profits. I don’t know if your idea of the government getting out of the way would bring those jobs back. It’s possible, had the IMF and the World Bank not taken over, and we had not shifted from a local to a global economy, that we would not be in this mess (but you know, who can say when it comes to if’s and but’s). So I guess it is possible that if there weren’t governments acting to the benefit of these now multinational corporations, then we’d still be making things in this country instead of having WalMart our number one employer while all the products sold inside were produced in China. Maybe it wouldn’t have stopped the global crisis, but at least we would have the infrastructure to be self sufficient.
I chose to say “global” crisis because we act as if our economic crisis is in a vacuum and not directly entwined with the crisis that is going on in Europe and South America, but our interests and our economy is completely intertwined now that half of our country is bought up by foreign share holders. All this came about over time, and it happened under the Republican and Democratic shifts. Trying to blame one person or party is useless. But more importantly, trying to blame the poor is a sham. Even if some (or most) of the subprime loan debacle is the fault of CRA, can you blame a poor person for taking advantage of the loans a bank offers them? I know if a bank offered me a loan to buy my first home, I would take it (I’m hoping to get one soon). So why then, should we not help out the poor who took the loans? Why is this called socialism or class warfare? If it IS Clinton’s fault as you say it is (and I’d be happy to blame him) then why should the people suffer for his mistakes? It seems to me that conservatives should want to rectify the mess instead of blaming the victim, especially if, as you say, the victim has been screwed over by your favorite bogeyman.
As far as your premise that Government meddling causes all the problems, I wonder what version of US history you subscribe to. Let’s look at the depression in the 20’s and 30’s (although I am hesitant to completely make the two synonymous since our economies were very different then than now). It seems to me that the government was operating in the exact laissez faire manner that you tout as the best for of government. Most historians (although I’m sure you will be happy to point out a few that disagree) have come to the consensus that this policy of unregulated Capitalism was the chief cause of the depression. Of course there were a plethora of other causes, just as there are a million and one things to blame for our current situation, but the bottom line is that Government isn’t necessarily the problem, but Government acting against the people’s interests is. This is what we’ve seen from the Government lately. It isn’t looking out for the interests of the worker. It is instead looking out for a few select groups, special interests, and multi-national corporations. It IS NOT looking out for the small businessman and family farmer (trust me I live in a very rural area). The cards have been stacked in favor for the same huge interests that donate millions of dollars to campaigns and to make sure that their interests are looked out for above the needs of the people. I don’t care who we blame, I just care that we fix it.
Robert
March 10th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
12darek,
Good point about free trade. But I disagree that we should be faulting the corporations and Big Business. The government, once again, is the problem.
First, the U.S. has the second-highest corporate tax rate in the world and the highest in the industrialized world. It’s cheaper for corporations to ship jobs overseas rather than to keep them here. I can’t fault a corporation for doing what it’s supposed to do (i.e., make money).
Second, the government has burdened businesses here incessantly with heavy regulation. Our automakers have tried to comply with CAFE regulations on auto emissions, and they simply can’t build an affordable car while also satisfying those regulations. Thus, they can’t make money like their foreign counterparts can.
Third, the government should adopt some level of a protectionist mentality. Reagan did it when he limited the number of Japanese cars that could be imported to the U.S. He had the right idea. Neither extreme (pure free trade, protectionism) is right. Some middle ground must be found. Again, however, corporations are merely operating within the system that’s been established. The system, not the corporations, is at fault.
In addition, not everyone who took out a subprime loan is poor. There are many affluent people who made the same mistake. The problem here is one of individual responsibility. It is, after all, a small segment of the population that has these loans (7%, 8%?). It cannot be a government policy to bail out minorities of people who make bad financial decisions. It removes risk from the market, and risk is necessary in order for capitalism to thrive, for businesses to grow, and for entrepreneurs to innovate and invest. No one bailed out the investors who bought all those tech stocks in 1999 and 2000 when the tech bubble burst. The same approach should be applied with this real estate bubble. Lenders made those loans, but the borrowers are also part of the equation. People need to take responsibility for their actions.
As for the Great Depression, capitalism was not at fault there, either. The stock market did crash in 1929, but a normal recoery would have followed in 12-18 months. What caused the Great Depression was Herbert Hoover raising taxes and tariffs (which destroyed our agricultural industry) and then Franklin D. Roosevelt intervening further in the market with his disastrous New Deal. Government meddling prolonged what would have been a deep recession into a Great Depression that lasted over a decade.
Look, I agree that huge interests dominate the political scene in Washington, what with all those power players and lobbyists. I don’t know how to fix that specific issue. However, I know that, if government (through a traditionally conservative or libertarian President) removed itself from the market and allowed individuals and businesses to make their own decisions and thrive, those special interests would be minimized.
darek
March 18th, 2009 at 1:23 am
13Ha… when you can’t refute my argument, just delete it…. Touche conservative windbag… point and match!
Robert
March 19th, 2009 at 10:31 am
14I was actually deleting a whole bunch of spam comments and accidentally deleted yours. Since you’re not leaving an e-mail or link anywhere (who’s the windbag now?) I couldn’t contact you to ask you to re-post the comment. So, please, argue away, and I’ll be happy to refute.
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